Alireza Jafarzadeh interview with
Fox News Big Story, John Gibson. Can we trust
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GEORGE BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: First of all, I appreciate the nations of
And the only good deal is one that's verifiable.
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ALIREZA JAFARZADEH, FOX NEWS FOREIGN AFFAIRS ANALYST: Good day, John. Happy Thanksgiving.
Definitely you cannot trust the Iranian ayatollahs because of the more than two decades of a record of lies and deception. And particularly since last year, when they committed themselves to be transparent and cooperate; they'd continued to lie and deceive and to violate their own promises.
They made the same promise last year; they violated that. And I think this has been a trend.
GIBSON: OK. Let's back up here.
This story has changed a couple of times today. This morning when I woke up, they had agreed to the freeze, to stop all nuclear activity that could lead toward the making of a bomb, but asked that they please be allowed to have these centrifuges run for a few weeks more to continue their research.
So, how did they think they were going to get way with that?
JAFARZADEH: Well, this is just a typical last-minute trick of the
ayatollahs. They use it as a bargaining chip; they push the envelope as far as
they can. And at the end of the day, if it didn't work, then they say,
"OK, it's fine." And they will make
everybody happy. The people will think they got a great deal with
But the reality is otherwise.
Now, the Europeans...
GIBSON: What are they getting from the Europeans?
JAFARZADEH: Well, the Europeans are saying that we are now going to provide you with nuclear technological assistance; we're going to provide you with a nuclear reactor; we're going to provide you with nuclear fuel; you're going have lucrative economic and trade deals.
And most importantly,
GIBSON: OK. But is there any transparency? Is there any way, as the President said, to verify their claims that they're not conducting this research? Or can they just go right on doing it under the nose of the Europeans and the IAEA?
JAFARZADEH: Well, yes, there can be ways to verify things. And I think President Bush is right in saying that nothing should be considered as a done deal unless it's verified. And I'm surprised that how come the International Atomic Energy Agency has not done what they needed to do.
Because just two weeks ago, the main opposition that was responsible for previous revelations revealed another nuclear site in Lavizan, Tehran, saying that they're now doing laser enrichment there. There was another site in Parchin, that...
GIBSON: These are pictures, by the way, of those very sites.
What you're looking at is the
new site in Lavizan that the National Council of Resistance,
And this site has not been
GIBSON: OK, Alireza, if the British, French, and Germans' idea sounds good, but ultimately is failure and it isn't going to work, and these guys are on their way to getting a bomb, which we don't want them to have, what is the United States supposed to do? How are we supposed to stop that?
JAFARZADEH: Well, the
On the political side, the
They said the
GIBSON: Fox Foreign Affairs Analyst Alireza Jafarzadeh. Alireza, good to see you. Thanks a lot for coming in.
JAFARZADEH: Thank you very much, John.